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    Re: Spiders
    Note 30 of 37 · by Mshopguy · 20-Oct-2018 11:33am
    On Sat Oct 20 17:13:39 2018, Itsybitsy wrote: > Cocoon healing is much improved. Thank you. Looks like every feed does > about 2/3 a corpse heal. You can get about 3 feeds per cocoon. So 2.25 > corpses her cocoon. > > I think most people XP monsters with 'consume'. If feeding additionally > gave a % of a consume amount spiders might be able to steadily single > target XP. Even with the change its 'kill' and 'feed' and 'wait for a > few'. Which is why consuming till full + eating is so popular. It negates > a TON of downtime (like a beerhat or big alcohol heal). So it may be > something to consider. > > Bite/Toxin damage still seems low. May be from changes explained earlier. > May also be from how Toxin ticks. Pythia made some good pitches and I > appreciate them sharing their relevant experience. I don't have access to > the maths but if successive toxin hits overwrites definately a 'war' > design (where you're burning a target as they escape your web and run > away). Which is't helpful for XPing where you're using your only active > skill (bite) ever round (ever other round). You might consider > front-loading the Toxin dot. So that it ends much faster but would do most > of its damage in the first couple of ticks. > Here is an example of how I would exp the class. It might provide understanding into why some of the proposals would make the class BS in more experienced hands. For disclosure, I have raised the following with stealth/stealth-like abilities: Shikaku +5 Orb Spider +1 Thief Forever level 16. Probably have raised other subs too with stealth but those are the ones that I can recall right now. Enter exp pit: diamond/gophers/apoc/abyss/smurfs/etc... Do bite gopher, (i am assuming it gets injected with venom at this point), move west, do bite gopher, move south, do bite gopher. Go back to the first gopher, rinse repeat, let the venom kill the gopher(if it stacks/is increased). All rooms would likely be webbed at this point, that sucks but not the worst thing in the world. If 3+ mobs are in a room, I would just bounce in and out biting each of the mobs in the room one after the other, especially if i just cleared the previous room. Also, i would then attempt to just keep pulling mobs from everywhere into that room with thread. I would take almost no damage because stealth is extremely powerful especially combined with web. So by that narrative, i would only ever be spending SP and due to the increased damage/stacking nature of poison, I wouldnt be using that much SP to begin with because I would be trying to let the toxin work the mobs hp down as much as possible since it is a free skill. Not sure if any of you have approached this method or if you just mindlessly move through room after room and sit there in combat taking damage but based on my past experiences, this would be the way to go, no downtime, and in the time it would take you to kill one mob, you would essentially be killing 3 at a far less expensive rate than say a dragon who has to sit there and take the damage. Let me know your thoughts on this and how you exp, it could have something to do with a lot of your guys' issues.