Suggestion Board

On Fri Oct 12 14:49:59 2018, Itsybitsy wrote: > On Fri Oct 12 07:13:15 2018, Chaitan wrote: > > On Fri Oct 12 04:40:50 2018, Itsybitsy wrote: > > > Hard to actually run numbers, but: > > > > > > Bite: Seems very weak when compared to backstab (even with poison). > The > > > cost is a lot more (15sp compared to 0sp). I use about 75% of my sp > > > killing a level 15 slirg. Granted I don't wait for poison ticks to > stop > > > but the time to kill would then be VERY SLOW. Web is useful vs players > > > and > > > monsters but so is dodge. I don't have an equal level thief but the > > thief > > > I do have seems to kill equal level mobs faster with negligable hp > loss > > > and certainly less sp lost. > > > > > > Cocoon: This is supposed to be the big advantage (I think). Sure > thieves > > > > > have free backstab but spider corpses heal even better than monster > > > corpses! Maybe? Each time I feed I get about 9 sp back and I can only > > feed > > > on each cocoon every few rounds. So I need 2/3 to refund a /single/ > > bite. > > > A simple fix that could be tried is that each cocoon maybe only lets > you > > > > > feed 2-3 times but each feed has the value of CORPSE HEAL + CORPSE > > > CONSUME. So you get a larger blast of sp than 9 and you get the > alcohol > > > ticks. I don't have access to the code to see the values, obviously, > but > > I > > > think if you did HEAL + ALCOHOL and then tweaked the amounts of both > > > spiders could merrily bite away. Bite dmg still might need an > inspection > > > > > though. > > > > > > > Not saying Spider doesn't need help but it shouldn't be compared to > Thief. > > > > Thief and Thug rely on movement to do anything. Spider is designed to > > excel at winning fight on their turf (web). When they move out of their > > lair (web) they should be weak and must rely on sneaky attacks (like > > sneak/bite similar to thieves but it's not an area they should even be > > good at. It's a secondary role, not a primary one. > > > That's fair. It appears to be about the same outcome though. I expend > about 75% of my sp (not including web sp, so more). I don't take a lot of > combat damage as long as the web is in good shape. > > I can cocoon but a single feed is less than a corpse heal and to feed > again it looks like I wait about 9/10 rounds to feed once more. I assume > the total healing is greater than a single corpse but what you do is find > yourself with a 'pile of cocoons' chain feeding (this is a lot of actions > per round if you're not macro/stacking the commands). Cocoon healing could > be a bit more on pace with healing/consuming the corpse. I really /feel/ > (not that feelings are valid in a test) that the cocoon/feed mechanic is > very old and the introduction of consume really makes there not seem like > there's a lot of value there for the hasssle. > Being a thief player and having read this, I wouldnt be against spiders getting a slight damage increase personally. I say slight though because Chaitan raised some very valid points as well. If you look at the flip side of the comparison with thief/spider, a spider should eat a thief alive in war/pk. I am not familiar with spider, if they get an awareness and/or toughness boost in web, then great, but if they dont, they should get both, similar to a mummy/remorhaz/sirene/etc... since they have that added penalty of needing to be in the prepared room. I think a good rule of thumb is a 25% penalty for classes like that they are out of their natural environment that they can create, while they get a +25% bonus for taking the time to plan around that. This would help with MUD vs. war tactics as well, as both players would jockey to have the advantage as a part of the fight. I always said two things, one, yeah mummy is BS as hell in sands, but if you get them out of sands, they are at a very severe disadvantage. The problem though was that players would just vort to me in sands and fight me there without ever trying to get me out of them and even into an arctic terrain where instead of having a game breaking +30 terrain bonus in my favor, i would have a -30 game breaking bonus against me. Two, always, always, always, drink Bud Light Orange.