Suggestion Board

On Fri Oct 12 07:13:15 2018, Chaitan wrote: > On Fri Oct 12 04:40:50 2018, Itsybitsy wrote: > > Hard to actually run numbers, but: > > > > Bite: Seems very weak when compared to backstab (even with poison). The > > cost is a lot more (15sp compared to 0sp). I use about 75% of my sp > > killing a level 15 slirg. Granted I don't wait for poison ticks to stop > > but the time to kill would then be VERY SLOW. Web is useful vs players > and > > monsters but so is dodge. I don't have an equal level thief but the > thief > > I do have seems to kill equal level mobs faster with negligable hp loss > > and certainly less sp lost. > > > > Cocoon: This is supposed to be the big advantage (I think). Sure thieves > > > have free backstab but spider corpses heal even better than monster > > corpses! Maybe? Each time I feed I get about 9 sp back and I can only > feed > > on each cocoon every few rounds. So I need 2/3 to refund a /single/ > bite. > > A simple fix that could be tried is that each cocoon maybe only lets you > > > feed 2-3 times but each feed has the value of CORPSE HEAL + CORPSE > > CONSUME. So you get a larger blast of sp than 9 and you get the alcohol > > ticks. I don't have access to the code to see the values, obviously, but > I > > think if you did HEAL + ALCOHOL and then tweaked the amounts of both > > spiders could merrily bite away. Bite dmg still might need an inspection > > > though. > > > > Not saying Spider doesn't need help but it shouldn't be compared to Thief. > > Thief and Thug rely on movement to do anything. Spider is designed to > excel at winning fight on their turf (web). When they move out of their > lair (web) they should be weak and must rely on sneaky attacks (like > sneak/bite similar to thieves but it's not an area they should even be > good at. It's a secondary role, not a primary one. > That's fair. It appears to be about the same outcome though. I expend about 75% of my sp (not including web sp, so more). I don't take a lot of combat damage as long as the web is in good shape. I can cocoon but a single feed is less than a corpse heal and to feed again it looks like I wait about 9/10 rounds to feed once more. I assume the total healing is greater than a single corpse but what you do is find yourself with a 'pile of cocoons' chain feeding (this is a lot of actions per round if you're not macro/stacking the commands). Cocoon healing could be a bit more on pace with healing/consuming the corpse. I really /feel/ (not that feelings are valid in a test) that the cocoon/feed mechanic is very old and the introduction of consume really makes there not seem like there's a lot of value there for the hasssle.